tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post4393389825519917136..comments2023-06-05T02:22:29.856-07:00Comments on Vera City: The Ethics of Outing Secrets Within the Dysfunctional Familyvera cityhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07380051956155840612noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-18634664981389953682010-02-26T14:28:16.139-08:002010-02-26T14:28:16.139-08:00Bravo, Vera City! Bravo! What a beautiful piece o...Bravo, Vera City! Bravo! What a beautiful piece of breadcrumb you have left.<br />I do so feel for all of the children. Having been raised by a most charming borderline sociopathic parent, with a weak numb codependent other parent, and having known a few other people who are clearly sociopathing, this interests me greatly.<br /><br />Sarah is an extreme case. I have known two women in my life so similar to her, and their children in much the same shoes as the Palin children.<br /><br />as an example, one of them is now on the cusp of fame herself. She has pimped her clueless daughters into a reality program on E! which airs in March 2010 "Pretty Wild!"<br /><br />you can read about them in the March Vanity Fair. While I realize this is supposed to be a fluffy promo piece, it is not difficult to read between the lines and see the sociopathic mother Andrea for what she really is<br />http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/03/billionaire-girls-201003Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-60312799472121769142010-01-31T19:14:39.528-08:002010-01-31T19:14:39.528-08:00I don't think any mother in their right mind w...I don't think any mother in their right mind would announce their 17 yr old's pregnancy in a defense that their child (Trig) was really hers. As it has been repeatedly said, all Sarah had to do was produce a birth certificate. But instead she chose to embarrass her daughter in front of the world. She also chose to announce threats of rape?? If she was so concerned she would have done something about it at the time. Just an excuse to leave Juneau. These facts have already been posted and commented on many times together with others so just a reminder. Sarah is about Sarah. She has been lying about everything and denying all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-9007510768512379572010-01-31T17:15:14.388-08:002010-01-31T17:15:14.388-08:00Vera, Whew, I spent a fair amount of time reading ...Vera, Whew, I spent a fair amount of time reading all of your posts today, I like what I read, you are officially one of my fav reads. We need to get more people reading your blog. Are you okay with that? I tend to get excited about good stuff and share about it.<br /><br />I notice there is as least one person who posts on 'other people's' blogs how the blogs should be run and what the content should be. Sheesh, how very rude. Control issues much?<br /><br />I look forward to your insight and help understanding people like Scarah.<br /><br />I am concerned about the damage she can wreak. I am concerned for a President I really like and believe in. I am concerned for our country.<br /><br />I hope there are more like you out there studying Scarah. Please stay safe. <br /><br />You wrote: <br /><br />"While there is no denying that she is cunning, she is not intelligent - a dangerous combination that causes people to underestimate the damage psychopaths are capable of until it is too late. A strong argument can be made that she is also delusional."Say NO to Palin in Politicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-46924149403441236992010-01-30T19:17:36.441-08:002010-01-30T19:17:36.441-08:00Thank you anonymous 1:35. I have been doing resea...Thank you anonymous 1:35. I have been doing research for another post, but have been waylaid investigating another matter that needed to be dealt with. That is now done and I can turn my attention back here once again. I tend to mull things over for a bit before I write. I do not think that I will ever be a prolific blog writer and am in awe of those I follow.<br /><br />Anonymous 6:03, I do see where you are coming from regarding Chuck Heath. I, however, am more cautious when looking for cause. Although there is a strong heritable aspect to the psychopathy checklist, it can also appear spontaneously. I touched on this in the earlier post about environment versus wiring:<br /><br />http://thoughtsfromveracity.blogspot.com/2010/01/environment-vs-wiring-response.htmlvera cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07380051956155840612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-31292774423028047282010-01-30T13:35:24.020-08:002010-01-30T13:35:24.020-08:00Vera, I didn't read all the posts just want t...Vera, I didn't read all the posts just want to say I miss your writings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-66213214840076598462010-01-28T18:03:09.483-08:002010-01-28T18:03:09.483-08:00Excellent article, Vera City.
Your point was perf...Excellent article, Vera City.<br /><br />Your point was perfectly illustrated by Straight Goods attempt to trivialize and dismiss Anon 6:58 experience of abuse. It is never OK for a child to be exploited and manipulated for anothers benefit.<br /><br />I do think that Chuch Heath is part of the generational cycle of abuse we are seeing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-81283208404975609062010-01-20T12:39:20.695-08:002010-01-20T12:39:20.695-08:00Anonymous,
Thank you for responding back and givi...Anonymous,<br /><br />Thank you for responding back and giving us some more insight. When it comes to the behaviour of Sarah and Todd Palin and Chuck heath I have slightly different view on what is going on. For example, I do not see Todd as being the dominate person in the relationship, instead he strikes me as being Sarah Palin's caretaker. One of the traits on the psychopathy checklist is living a parasitical lifestyle. That seems to be what we are seeing in the relationship between the two of them. Todd has made sure that there was steady money coming in - needed because Sarah Palin can not hold down a job for long. Although she is the one dictating the direction, she can not cope and Todd has to provide support so she doesn't melt down. I have seen this dynamic many times. In this case we don't see it as clearly because traditional gender roles help mask what is going on.<br /><br />Hannah_bell, they can also describe porn as innocent, mildly risqué photos. The point is these people are contrary and offensive to get someone's goat. The playing of mind games is the driving force and, in this case, it falls more under the term gaslighting.vera cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07380051956155840612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-90358017026127655822010-01-20T10:56:34.330-08:002010-01-20T10:56:34.330-08:00BTW, Vera I don't know that you have to switch...BTW, Vera I don't know that you have to switch to moderating comments. Had I know that jerk had said something like he did I would have responded. I just saw this today.<br /><br />It would not have stopped me from sharing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-44089454597511176842010-01-20T10:30:22.778-08:002010-01-20T10:30:22.778-08:00I am the anon commenter who shared my childhood se...I am the anon commenter who shared my childhood sexual abuse story. I can assure you, it did happen, for a long time beginning at age 6. I won't to go into sordid details. And no, straight good, I don't appreciate your caviler, inappropriate, judgmental and insensitive comments. My story is real.<br /><br />The point I was trying to make was to the Palin children or any child or person for that matter, to please get help. Abuse, be it mental, physical, verbal or sexual is not okay and I would certainly hope not normal or ever become more normal. What happened to me was over 45 years ago. I don't know any statistics for then and now. I just remember being a young adult in my mid 20's, I shared the story and was told no, it was not normal or nor was it okay.<br /><br />My point was was to encourage others to seek help and relief from the toxic thinking abuse does to ones thoughts and feelings about oneself. Thats what is most unfair about abuse, it robs people of self esteem, confidence and freedom to be who they are. It's cruel in so many ways. <br /><br />I think that is what I identify with and see in Sarah, the robbed identity and fear because of it, she does not know who she is, she's in a shut down stunted state of mind. I think people with personal experience or trained professionals see the red flags sooner than some. <br /><br />Also my point to those who have gone through abuse or are currently being abused is please put a stop to it. You have that right. Seek help to do so. It is not your fault and you deserve better. <br /><br />The Palin children also deserve better. It is easy to see that Sarah Palin puts herself before her children. Trigs health was at risk the whole time she had him on the book tour. It's completely obvious he is not being properly taken care of. Risking his health and neglecting his physical therapy is abuse in my opinion. <br /><br />Constantly exposing Piper to very adult matters that she has no business experiencing is abuse, using Piper as a spy or political tool is abuse. Disingenuously using all her children as props is abuse. Pimping them out to magazines for money is abuse.<br /><br />As for Todd, he seems to care for all the kids. But I question his behind the scenes lurking when it comes to Sarah. It feels wrong. He either does not trust her or respect her. She either cannot function without him or he is a quiet controller, a manipulator who influences how Sarah thinks and her decisions.<br /><br />I have serious concerns about Chuck. I think much of Sarah's mindset is due to his parenting, to his exposing her to extreme experiences at too young an age. I believe he instilled in her an insensitivity towards animals and other people, a callousness that effects her thinking, her decisions and her treatment of people.<br /><br />The term "buck up" comes to mind when I think of Chuck. I also wonder about the other Health children. Molly's choice of husband, was there something about him that was similar to Chuck?<br /><br />To conclude this long post. I hope all, including Sarah Palin get the help they need. I hope Trig is taken away from Sarah, his needs are not being met. I know some people never get help, change or examine their life and thoughts. I'm sure the older a person gets the harder and more painful it would be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-9677104708866791802010-01-20T06:41:56.208-08:002010-01-20T06:41:56.208-08:00I would just like to point out...the type of perso...I would just like to point out...the type of person who would take someone's in depth account of obviously devastating MOLESTATION and dismiss it as 'playing doctor'...is the same type of person who would label innocent, mildly risqué photos as "porn".<br /><br />Just saying.hannah_bellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-24952325095200585692010-01-19T15:18:09.807-08:002010-01-19T15:18:09.807-08:00Eileen, well said.
Vera, I think that is what I w...Eileen, well said.<br /><br />Vera, I think that is what I was trying to say but my words got in the way. If you banned that callous troll, so be it.Joe Christmashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18183950798937234525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-9210874545357335642010-01-19T09:43:31.999-08:002010-01-19T09:43:31.999-08:00The comments have been switched over to moderation...The comments have been switched over to moderation. The comments left by Straight Goods that appeared, and those that were sent to me afterwards, make the case that I was stating in the post. It is hard for people to come forward about what happened in their childhood because they are discounted and disbelieved. This just happened to be a hurtful and abusive instance of this. I extend my apologies to anon for have this happen to him/her on this site and it will not happen again. <br /><br />Elliegrl, the last two comments by Straight Goods were put up while I was writing a response to him thus my comment that his tone had improved while it proved afterwards to definitely not be the case. He assured me afterwards that his tone had not changed at all.<br /><br />Joe Christmas, I mulling over right now about the direction this blog will take because there are two streams currently: information about the psychopathy checklist and observations on Sarah Palin. I want to be clear that I have not said that Sarah Palin is a psychopath. My position is she displays and demonstrates the traits on the checklist, as a significant part of the population does, and that this is worthy of discussion.vera cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07380051956155840612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-68148399353477093162010-01-19T09:03:02.043-08:002010-01-19T09:03:02.043-08:00Well, I wasn't going to comment on the story e...Well, I wasn't going to comment on the story except for Staright Goods made that pretty impossible. I'll give you the "Straight Goods" now.<br /><br />I am deeply offended as a mother by comments made by "Straight Goods." And on behalf of the poster who was brave enough to share her experience w/molestation & messed up families, I am angry. I could care less if Straight Goods thinks Palin is an idiot or disagrees w/her politics, but talking to other posters and to you Vera the way he/she did is atrocious. Their "change in tone" was not a change in tone *at all*, except perhaps a worsening of it!<br /><br />The comment to be "forewarned that changing to moderated comments will cuase you trouble & kill this blog" is a dead giveaway. This person is a Palinbot, I'd bet my life on it. Either they are a Palinbot defending their girl or have allowed molestation or abuse or simple unloving parenting to occur in his/her family and are extremely touchy about the subject, or both. Someone who discounts the story of abuse shared by another poster as "misinterpreting what occurred," then questions your intentions and the intentions of other bloggers, then claims to "know" you don't actually care about the Palin kids but want to bring Palin down shows Straight Goods must have some omninscence we're not aware of. That they do not see the irony in telling you to not "assume" you recognize dysfunction when we have video and photo evidence of it, while they discount the molestation of a poster when they were NOT EVEN THERE?!! It makes absolutely no sense, and thus has all the markings of Palinbot stamped all over it.<br /><br />Then not to get banned they post they think Palin is dumb, yadda yadda. Palinbots have been trolling the blogs trying to swing the conversation in favor of their girl and get people off track (ha ha, made a pun-ny :D) IMHO, "our" people just don't behave the way this person has, with complete lack of feelings for other people or respect. Please don't fall for it, and out of respect for the above poster who was abused please ban this poster.Elliegrlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-36405416046460915132010-01-19T02:59:38.192-08:002010-01-19T02:59:38.192-08:00Oh, go Straight away. The Goods on this family has...Oh, go Straight away. The Goods on this family has been in front of the Alaskan public and now the world for several years. Pure soap opera.<br /> Not Average Joes and Janes by a long shot. Not even before the undeserved attention and payouts resulting from fake book, fake credentials for Veep run, fake family values-role models, fake pregnancy and 'choice' taken of choosing life by the matriach (Sarah never carried Trig in her belly), fake reason for signing up for 9-11 army duty, fake dedication to schooling for kids...blah, blah endless.<br /> <br />So far, I see Todd being the most authentic person in the clan-he did champion in the grueling Iron Dog several times! That is his claim to fame and distinction. And I don't even like fossil fuel guzzling sports. The rest of the family is mish-mash.<br />Sarah can stay in the spotlight as she continually proves herself to those paying attention. She'll do herself in by her own hand in the end. Her words will be the irony. The tea-baggers will go down the drain with her.<br /><br />But the rest of her extended family should go back hidden in the outhouse. And not profit from public exposure, they contribute nothing and all are lousy role models and intellectually have nothing to share with the rest of us.Just go live your life, scarfing up undeserved donations, fake PR firm salaries and overpaid celebrity bucks while Haitians starve. Let the Biafra orphans eat cake says Queen TeaBagger mentality. <br />The Menards (half-siblings, extended blood members) should sue to find out if they were denied their right by Sarah to know their family member; just like Levi should demand DNA for both babies. Keep it public. Calista Corporation (?) should sue to find out if Track is a real blood son of Todd, Tribal shareholder. <br /><br />Once a crook, liar and deceiver, always one...Sarah-we know your game. You appear to be teaching Bristol the same. She sure seems to be your clone on cover of In Touch (where is the vomit bag, that Utah cult hairdo is something else). <br /><br />Only green bucks talk to these gals and there sure ain't no bucks in her freezer shot by Sarah. Piper and Willow, unfortunately have been dragged onto the campaign trail and book tour, staged photo shoots, autograph signings, interview comments, hand shaking strangers and benefiting money wise as well as Trig and Tripp. Now we hear Track does as well, they are all fair game depending on the individual subject discussed. So was plenty of other child celebrities in their day. <br /><br />I wanna know the psychological profile and physical limitations (medical records) of my leaders and know what goes on behind closed doors (to a degree), especially, if the scheming idiots running the political campaigns are googling for Veeps on the web.<br /><br /> Otherwise I'll take leaders who truly are 'Everyman,Anyman' any day with two term limits and see what a bunch of bus drivers, bakers, comedians, ski instructors, organic farmers, miners, professional students,truck drivers subsistence village dwellers and other 'rift raft and dirt-bags' can do in Congress and in the White House more than Sarah-Who/Where's Sarah anyday...especially with her past record has done nothin' FOR this nation!!.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14107677942291785809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-5962666233862434482010-01-18T19:08:35.010-08:002010-01-18T19:08:35.010-08:00Straight Goods,
I would say your moniker is a misn...Straight Goods,<br />I would say your moniker is a misnomer. While you make some valid points, parts of your discourse are quite bizarre. Thus, for the sake of simplicity, I would ask one question of you. Do you think that Palin is a psychopath, or scores well above the threshold for psychopathic behavior? <br />The answer would help us greatly in understanding your comments. <br />While I don't want to speak for Vera, I think the purpose of this blog is to describe psychopathic PD, and the rippling effects it has on family members and society as a whole. Palin just happens to be the poster child for an endemic mental illness.<br />The one thing that has always been apparent to me is the fact that Palin's lies are insulting to our intelligence and humanity. From the Wild Ride to answering a simple question with "all of them", her phony, fraudulent nature becomes obvious and the essence of her pathos.Joe Christmashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18183950798937234525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-18378963279912896212010-01-17T15:52:21.780-08:002010-01-17T15:52:21.780-08:00I came to this thread late, so I have the benefit ...I came to this thread late, so I have the benefit of reading it through its entirety. While reading through, I thought of how Sarah attacked a 19-year-old boy on national television. I thought of a 19-year-old unwed mother who was recently made to dress matronly for all the world to gawk. I also kept thinking about a 15-year-old girl screaming for help. The only people who seem to care about these teenagers are you bloggers.<br /><br />Discussing why a young man is clearly troubled is not the same as ridiculing him. In fact, I have read nothing but deep concern for him. The same holds true for Piper and Trig. <br /><br />I do not think you have been out of line in the least.Julie (former Palintologist)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-29906584771513462252010-01-16T23:38:05.532-08:002010-01-16T23:38:05.532-08:00Vera City,
I think Carol Menard would not be "...Vera City,<br />I think Carol Menard would not be "hurt" by this coming out at all. She and Curtis met AFTER this and I wouldn't be surprised if she already knows. But if it is true , then her children with Curtis have every RIGHT to know their half brother. We adopted our son when he was 6, he has a half-sibling (same mother) that we have made a point of keeping in our sons life and her father made a point of it too. They are very close ( my son is now an adult). But who would we have been if we had not made sure they could have a sibling relationship. My sons sister, to this day, and her family are welcome in our home at any time. I have thanked my sons sister many times for allowing him and us to be in her life. And if she would not have had someone in her paternal family to take her we would have adopted her too.CR46noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-72331410514020191092010-01-16T00:52:22.919-08:002010-01-16T00:52:22.919-08:00Straight Goods,
Perhaps you might consider reason...Straight Goods,<br /><br />Perhaps you might consider reasoned consideration before you post here. You're going to hold Vera's feet to the fire? You're going to ask if she's a professional? You haven't given any evidence to suggest that you know more than Vera, and her posts have a reasoned tone that is missing from yours. And you really aren't going to do anything about it, except write a response. <br /><br />This is Vera's blog, and she will post what she wants to post, and moderate it if she wants to, and if you don't like it, you are free to delete Vera City from your favelist. <br /><br />I find Vera's insights very interesting, and feasible, and they fit in with what I know- admittedly not much- with personality disorders and sociopathy. I would not accuse her of not caring about the Palin children, but I don't see any reason why she should, other than in a general sort of love-of-humanity not-wishing-any-harm-on-them way. Why should she? I don't wish any harm on the Palin kids, but the only one I feel sorry for is Piper, who seems to miss lots of school and have no friends. But I do not think that Vera is wrong when she suggests that addressing the family dysfunction should improve things for the kids in the long run. Ignoring the family dysfunction certainly won't do any good, and I do not believe there is any doubt that they are dysfunctional. They could hardly help be anything but. They have a parent who apparently goes catatonic when she's stressed, and whose willing and paid supporters think she's emotionally disturbed. Pretty much guarantees dysfunction. <br /><br />IvyfreeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-73377587794445195902010-01-15T16:16:14.158-08:002010-01-15T16:16:14.158-08:00Why the heck would moderated comments "kill t...Why the heck would moderated comments "kill this blog", etc? <br /><br />Mudflats is moderated and has flourished for quite some time.puffkittynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-15031998424635244502010-01-15T16:14:31.145-08:002010-01-15T16:14:31.145-08:00Straight Goods,
First, many of the people who blo...Straight Goods,<br /><br />First, many of the people who blog and comment on the blogs are concerned about the Palin children not because they know them or because they know for a fact that there are problems, but because of the evidence developed from observation. I became concerned over time with the wealth of video and still photographs of the family dynamics which, if you know how to read them, say a lot. People have also expressed a, to me valid, concern about Piper's almost non-stop presence wherever her mother is. Why isn't she in school? Why is she included in political, press, or governmental functions that are clearly inappropriate for a child?<br /><br />Regarding child molestation. What you call "playing doctor" is not what anon called it. Anon referred to it as molestation, which means anon felt molested. Anon felt as if their sibling had betrayed their trust. Anon felt as if their parent/s had not protected them. If two young children (toddler or preschool perhaps) "play doctor" as you suggest, it does not usually have any sexual connotations. If it does, I would look for sexual abuse. In older children, it very much depends on how many years difference in age there is between the children. Five or more? It's called assault and is a crime. Perception matters. And yes, I am a professional.Kyrahttp://kyrafrost.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-88423870314761180252010-01-15T15:22:54.524-08:002010-01-15T15:22:54.524-08:00There are so many ways Sarah could have spared her...There are so many ways Sarah could have spared her children the media exposure they have experienced. If Sarah doesn't watch out, her family will disintegrate in front of the cameras. Her children are at the age where this type of media attention can cause so many problems. <br /><br />As a mother, I feel for those children and would just to provide a safe shelter for all of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-19771913738897538902010-01-15T14:26:48.465-08:002010-01-15T14:26:48.465-08:00Straight Goods,
I appreciate the shift in your to...Straight Goods,<br /><br />I appreciate the shift in your tone and understand your position. I probably have more compassion for Sarah Palin then most people on the blogs. She is, however, dangerous and why she is dangerous should be talked about openly. I am only adding one perspective to that discussion. <br /><br />The person who earlier said I was publicly psychoanalysing Palin was actually you and that is definitely not what I am doing - publicly or privately. <br /><br />What I am miffed about is what you did again, in your third paragraph, publicly analyse and dismiss anon@6:58 experience. That is not respectful and if you do it again I will not accept comments from you. It appears that you do not know why this is an issue and this will have to be one of the areas where we agree to disagree and you continue commenting here while following that guideline.vera cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07380051956155840612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-38256943522442784352010-01-15T14:03:10.024-08:002010-01-15T14:03:10.024-08:00I think that Sarah Palin hates being a tabloid fam...I think that Sarah Palin hates being a tabloid family just as much as her family hates it. But then on the other hand, the rest of the family may relish the tabloid exposure that Sarah is getting while it's Sarah alone that hates it. <br /><br />Do you think you're more right on that than I am Vera? <br /><br />I'm going to hold your feet to the fire now Vera because I think there is a purpose to be served on this blog. If you choose to change to moderated comments be forewarned that it will cause you more trouble than you will get by leaving it the way it is. Not to mention that it will kill this blog. <br /><br />It's interesting Vera, to exchange ideas on your blog without having the whining and crying, the profanity and the teeth gnashing, the hate and the vitriol, of the other blogs which serve no purpose in the least. <br /><br />You're entirely free to change that if you like.Rob G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10632030310119287291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-3963579559324749212010-01-15T13:52:01.753-08:002010-01-15T13:52:01.753-08:00What makes a politician? Does it have to be anythi...What makes a politician? Does it have to be anything more than good looks which come first of all, and a predisposition of talking the party line to enough people? GWB showed us all that high intelligence wasn't necessary, compared to his poliitcal perspective of what was good and right for America. Many of us would not agree with him but many did, and we know that he was popular enough with the people to be able to remain in office for 8 years. <br /><br />I wonder if Palin can be schooled enough before 2012 to make her acceptable to enough people so that she could become president? I wonder if an I.Q. in the neighbourhood of 100, + or - ten points is enough to let her scrape through if she is carefully schooled on the necessary talking points. And I wonder if the harm she could do isn't more because of her outrageous ideology than it is because of her ignorance or stupidity. <br /><br />I mean let's face it, she's no Bill Clinton or Adolph Hitler in the brains department.Rob G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10632030310119287291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1863839774455426457.post-78168909003867717402010-01-15T13:46:57.305-08:002010-01-15T13:46:57.305-08:00Anon 12:05,
Thank you for confirming that Carole ...Anon 12:05,<br /><br />Thank you for confirming that Carole Menard is the individual I thought she is. From what I gleaned they are a loving family and must miss their father and husband - he seemed to be a good man. If there is any validity in Track being Curtis Jr. biological son, Track is lucky to be a part of them.vera cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07380051956155840612noreply@blogger.com